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Episode: ‘The Interview’: George Saunders Says Ditching These Three Delusions Can Save You.
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âĸ Saunders-āĻāϰ āύāϤā§āύ āĻāĻĒāύā§āϝāĻžāϏ, “Vigil”: āĻāĻĨā§āĻĒāĻāĻĨāύāĻāĻŋ Saunders-āĻāϰ āύāϤā§āύ āĻāĻĒāύā§āϝāĻžāϏ “Vigil”-āĻ āĻāĻā§āϰāĻāĻžāĻŦā§ āĻĒā§āϰāĻŦā§āĻļ āĻāϰā§, āϝā§āĻāĻžāύ⧠āĻāĻāĻāύ āĻŦāĻĻāĻŽā§āĻāĻžāĻā§ āϤā§āϞ āĻāĻžāĻāĻā§āύ āϤāĻžāĻāϰ āĻŽā§āϤā§āϝā§āϰbeds-āĻ āĻāĻŦāĻ mortality āĻ choice-āĻāϰ āĻĒā§āϰāĻā§āϤāĻŋ āύāĻŋā§ā§ āĻŦāĻŋāώā§āĻā§āϞ⧠āϤā§āϞ⧠āϧāϰāĻž āĻšā§ā§āĻā§āĨ¤ āĻāĻĒāύā§āϝāĻžāϏ⧠āĻĻā§āĻāĻŋ āĻŦāĻŋāĻĒāϰā§āϤ āĻāϰāĻŋāϤā§āϰ, K.J. Boone (āĻāĻāĻāύ āĻāϞāĻŦāĻžā§ā§ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦāϰā§āϤāύ āĻ āϏā§āĻŦā§āĻāĻžāϰāĻāĻžāϰā§) āĻāĻŦāĻ Jill (āĻāĻāĻāύ ghost āϝāĻŋāύāĻŋ āĻāĻāĻāύ āĻŽā§āϤ āĻŽāĻšāĻŋāϞāĻžāĻā§ āĻĒā§āϰāϤāĻŋāύāĻŋāϧāĻŋāϤā§āĻŦ āĻāϰā§āύ) -āĻā§ āĻāĻĒāϏā§āĻĨāĻžāĻĒāύ āĻāϰāĻž āĻšā§ā§āĻā§, āϝāĻžāϰāĻž āĻāĻŦāĻžāĻŦāĻĻāĻŋāĻšāĻŋāϤāĻž āĻ āĻāϰā§āĻŽā§āϰ āĻŦāĻŋāĻāĻŋāύā§āύ āĻĻā§āώā§āĻāĻŋāĻāĻā§āĻāĻŋ āϧāĻžāϰāĻŖ āĻāϰā§āĨ¤ Saunders āĻā§āύ⧠definitive āĻāϤā§āϤāϰ āĻĻā§āĻā§āĻžāϰ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦāϰā§āϤ⧠āĻāĻāϝāĻŧ āĻĻā§āώā§āĻāĻŋāĻāĻā§āĻāĻŋāĻā§ āύā§āϝāĻžāϝā§āϝāĻāĻžāĻŦā§ āĻāĻĒāϏā§āĻĨāĻžāĻĒāύ āĻāϰāĻžāϰ āĻā§āώā§āĻāĻž āĻāϰā§āĻā§āύāĨ¤
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âĸ āύāĻŋā§āϤāĻŋāĻŦāĻžāĻĻ, āϏā§āĻŦāĻžāϧā§āύ āĻāĻā§āĻāĻž āĻāĻŦāĻ āĻŦāĻŋāĻāĻžāϰ: āĻāϞā§āĻāύāĻžāϰ āĻāĻāĻāĻŋ āĻā§āϰā§āϤā§āĻŦāĻĒā§āϰā§āĻŖ āĻ āĻāĻļ “Vigil”-āĻ āĻāϤā§āĻĨāĻžāĻĒāĻŋāϤ āĻĻāĻžāϰā§āĻļāύāĻŋāĻ āĻĒā§āϰāĻļā§āύāĻā§āϞ⧠āύāĻŋā§ā§, āϝā§āĻāĻžāύ⧠āύāĻŋā§āϤāĻŋāĻŦāĻžāĻĻ, āϏā§āĻŦāĻžāϧā§āύ āĻāĻā§āĻāĻž āĻāĻŦāĻ āĻŦā§āϝāĻā§āϤāĻŋāϰāĻž āϤāĻžāĻĻā§āϰ āĻāϰā§āĻŽ āĻ āĻā§āĻŦāύā§āϰ āĻĢāϞāĻžāĻĢāϞā§āϰ āĻāύā§āϝ āĻāϤāĻāĻž āĻĻāĻžā§ā§, āϤāĻž āύāĻŋā§ā§ āĻāϞā§āĻāύāĻž āĻāϰāĻž āĻšā§ā§āĻā§āĨ¤ Saunders āĻŽāύ⧠āĻāϰā§āύ āϝ⧠āĻļāĻŋāϞā§āĻĒāĻāϞāĻž āϏāĻŽāϏā§āϝāĻžāϰ āϏāĻŽāĻžāϧāĻžāύ āĻāϰāĻžāϰ āĻāύā§āϝ āύā§, āĻŦāϰāĻ āϏā§āĻā§āϞā§āĻā§ āϏāĻ āĻŋāĻāĻāĻžāĻŦā§ frame āĻāϰāĻžāϰ āĻāύā§āϝ āĻĒā§āϰā§ā§āĻāύ, āϝāĻžāϤ⧠āĻĒāĻžāĻ āĻ āĻāϰāĻŋāϤā§āϰāĻā§āϞā§āϰ interactions-āĻāϰ āĻŽāĻžāϧā§āϝāĻŽā§ āĻāĻ āĻāĻāĻŋāϞ āĻŦāĻŋāώā§āĻā§āϞā§āϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨā§ engage āĻāϰāϤ⧠āĻĒāĻžāϰā§āĨ¤
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âĸ āĻŦā§āϝāĻā§āϤāĻŋāĻāϤ āĻŦāĻŋāĻŦāϰā§āϤāύ āĻāĻŦāĻ āϏāĻžāĻšāĻŋāϤā§āϝā§āϰ āĻā§āĻŽāĻŋāĻāĻž: āĻāĻĨā§āĻĒāĻāĻĨāύāĻāĻŋ Saunders-āĻāϰ āύāĻŋāĻā§āϰ intellectual āĻāĻŦāĻ political āĻŦāĻŋāĻŦāϰā§āϤāύ āύāĻŋā§ā§ āĻāϞā§āĻāύāĻž āĻāϰā§, āϤāĻžāĻāϰ ā¤ļāĨ⤰āĨā¤ā¤¤āĨ āĻŦāĻāϰāĻā§āϞā§ā§ “Ayn Rand Republican” āĻšāĻā§āĻž āĻĨā§āĻā§ āĻļā§āϰ⧠āĻāϰ⧠āϤāĻžāĻāϰ āĻŦāϰā§āϤāĻŽāĻžāύ empathetic āĻĻā§āώā§āĻāĻŋāĻāĻā§āĻāĻŋ āĻĒāϰā§āϝāύā§āϤāĨ¤ āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋ āĻāĻ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŦāϰā§āϤāύā§āϰ āĻāĻžāϰāĻŖ āĻšāĻŋāϏā§āĻŦā§ āĻāĻāĻļāĻŋāĻāĻāĻžāĻŦā§ āϏāĻžāĻšāĻŋāϤā§āϝ āĻĒā§āĻž āĻāĻŦāĻ āĻŦāĻŋāĻāĻŋāύā§āύ āĻĻā§āώā§āĻāĻŋāĻāĻā§āĻāĻŋāϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨā§ engage āĻāϰāĻžāĻā§ āĻāϞā§āϞā§āĻ āĻāϰā§āĻā§āύāĨ¤ Saunders āϏāĻžāĻšāĻŋāϤā§āϝ āĻā§āĻāĻžāĻŦā§ āĻ āύā§āϝā§āϰ āĻāĻŦāĻ āύāĻŋāĻā§āϰ āϏāĻŽā§āĻĒāϰā§āĻā§ āĻāϰāĻ āĻŦā§āĻļāĻŋ understanding foster āĻāϰāϤ⧠āĻĒāĻžāϰā§, āϤāĻž āϤā§āϞ⧠āϧāϰā§āĻā§āύ, āĻāĻŽāύāĻāĻŋ āϝāĻĻāĻŋ āĻāĻāĻŋ āϏāĻšāĻ āϏāĻŽāĻžāϧāĻžāύ āĻĻā§ā§ āϤāĻŦā§āĻāĨ¤
âĸ āĻŽā§āĻā§āϤāĻŋ āĻ acceptance-āĻāϰ āĻĒā§āϰāĻā§āϤāĻŋ: Saunders āĻĒāϰāĻžāĻŽāϰā§āĻļ āĻĻā§āύ āϝ⧠“āĻŽā§āĻā§āϤāĻŋ,” āϏāĻžāĻšāĻŋāϤā§āϝāĻŋāĻ āĻ āϰā§āĻĨā§, āύāĻŋāĻā§āϰ flawed āĻĒā§āϰāĻā§āϤāĻŋ āĻāĻŦāĻ āĻāϰā§āĻŽā§āϰ āĻ āĻĒā§āϰāϤā§āϝāĻžāĻļāĻŋāϤ āĻĒāϰāĻŋāĻŖāϤāĻŋ āϏā§āĻŦā§āĻāĻžāϰ āĻāϰāĻž āĻĨā§āĻā§ āĻāϏā§āĨ¤ āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋ āϤāĻžāĻāϰ āύāĻŋāĻā§āϰ meditation āĻāĻŦāĻ āϞā§āĻāĻžāϰ āĻ āĻāĻŋāĻā§āĻāϤāĻžāϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨā§ āĻāĻāĻāĻŋ parallel āĻāĻāĻā§āύ, āϝā§āĻāĻžāύ⧠āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋ clarity āĻāĻŦāĻ self-awareness-āĻāϰ āĻŽā§āĻšā§āϰā§āϤ āĻā§āĻāĻā§ āĻĒāĻžāύ āϝāĻž āĻā§āĻŦāύā§āϰ āĻāĻāĻŋāϞāϤāĻžāĻā§āϞ⧠navigate āĻāϰāϤ⧠āϤāĻžāĻāĻā§ āϏāĻžāĻšāĻžāϝā§āϝ āĻāϰā§āĨ¤ āϤāĻŋāύāĻŋ āϏāĻžāĻšāĻŋāϤā§āϝāĻā§ self-reflection āĻ āϰā§āĻāύā§āϰ āĻāĻŦāĻ āĻ āύā§āϝāĻĻā§āϰ āϏāĻžāĻĨā§ āĻāĻāĻāĻŋ āĻāĻā§āϰ connection foster āĻāϰāĻžāϰ āĻāĻāĻāĻŋ āĻŽāĻžāϧā§āϝāĻŽ āĻšāĻŋāϏā§āĻŦā§ āĻĻā§āĻā§āύāĨ¤
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